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Ceasefire motion fiasco triggers calls for Commons Speaker to be removed

Blood on his hands: if Keir Starmer really interfered in Parliamentary procedure to water down the SNP’s Gaza ceasefire motion, then people may justifiably be concerned that he has prolonged Israel’s genocide.

If Lyndsay Hoyle really did think he was safeguarding his job as Commons Speaker by allowing Labour’s amendment to the SNP’s ceasefire motion to be debated, he’s thinking twice now.

After he allowed the amendment onto the agenda, in defiance of convention and against the advice of his clerk…

… it was suggested that he had been blackmailed into taking it by Keir Starmer (possibly via his chief of staff, Sue Gray), with a threat that he would not be re-elected as Speaker after the general election if he didn’t toe the line:

Hoyle denied being pressured by anybody from the Labour Party.

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Instead, after holding meetings with representatives from all sides of the House of Commons, Hoyle came up with a fantastical story that he had been presented with “frightening” threats to MPs’ safety.

He said he

“never, ever wanted to go through a situation where I pick up a phone to find a friend of whatever side has been murdered by a terrorist”.

He added: “I also don’t want another attack on this House. I was in the chair on that day. I have seen, I have witnessed.

“I won’t share the details but the details of the things that have been brought to me are absolutely frightening on all members of this House, on all sides. I have a duty of care and I say that and if my mistake is looking after members, I am guilty. I am guilty because… I have a duty of care that I will carry out to protect people. It is the protection that led me to make a wrong decision.”

Do you believe that? Tom Smith, who runs Another Angry Voice, doesn’t.

He wrote:

Here’s just some of the stuff that’s wrong with this absurd Starmerite narrative that Hoyle had to bin parliamentary procedure and side with Starmer in order to protect MPs from potential harm.

Labour MPs bragged to their mates in the media that they made Hoyle do what he did by threatening his position as speaker.

Hoyle himself stated that he was doing it for ‘procedural reasons’, rather than for the safety of MPs.

The implication that MPs lives would be in danger were they to have debated a motion that referenced Israeli “collective punishment” of Palestinian civilians rather than one that didn’t is downright absurd.

It’s beyond depraved to invoke the horrific killings of MPs by a far-right extremist (Jo Cox) and an Islamist terrorist (David Amess) to portray overwhelmingly peaceful Palestinian solidarity campaigners as a threat to the safety of politicians.

Citing potential terrorist violence in order to rip up established procedures sets an extremely dangerous precedent that clearly incentivises violent threats against MPs from people who expect they can influence political processes through threats and intimidation.

MPs have a long proven track record of fabricating threats and abuse.

MPs centring themselves as the primary victims in all of this is utterly obscene.

I agree with him.

At the time of writing, 67 MPs – mostly from the Conservative Party and the SNP – have signed a motion of ‘no confidence’ in the Speaker.

He should resign; he made a terrible mistake – possibly under pressure from the Labour leadership – and now he has tried to justify himself in a way that is not credible.

And then there is Keir Starmer’s role in this.

If he did pressurise the Speaker – in any way – then he has disgraced his position, the Labour Party, Parliament and the UK (because this was a debate about this country’s role in international affairs).

In such circumstances, he certainly would not deserve to become a prime minister of the UK. Until the questions about this fiasco are answered in full, he should not be allowed the opportunity.


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UK to demand Israel/Gaza ceasefire – but only after ‘chaos’ in the Commons

Lindsay Hoyle: his choices in the ceasefire debate led to considerably more contrition than you can see in this image.

What an unholy mess.

After Commons Speaker Lyndsay Hoyle broke convention to accept an Opposition amendment to an Opposition motion calling for a ceasefire in the Israel/Gaza conflict, the debate on the most serious issue facing the world today descended into a farcical row about procedure.

Hoyle left the Speaker’s chair while the debate was still ongoing, prompting Stephen Flynn, the SNP’s Westminster leader, to demand that he return to the House of Commons to explain what had happened.

He said if the Labour Party’s amendment was carried, then the SNP vote would not be held. He said this amounted to telling the SNP “our views and our votes in this house are irrelevant to him”.

According to the BBC, Conservative and SNP MPs then walked out of the Commons chamber in protest at Hoyle’s handling of the debate. Concerns were repeated that he had been pressured into accepting Labour’s amendment with threats that, otherwise, he would not be re-elected as Speaker after the general election.

On top of all this, some smartass called for the remainder of the debate to be held in private – meaning all members of the public must leave, broadcasting of proceedings ends, and the official record Hansard does not produce a transcript of what MPs say – but decisions are still recorded.

If it had passed, this would have raised more concerns about a lack of democracy and accountability. It didn’t, though.

Labour’s amendment – and then the SNP’s amended motion – was then passed without a vote – while SNP and Tory MPs were still outside the Commons chamber.

Because they walked out in protest at the Speaker, they did not have the opportunity to register their votes on the calls for an immediate ceasefire. So Labour MPs were very nearly the only ones voting.

In the meantime, Hoyle was located and reappeared to claim that he had not been put under any pressure by Keir Starmer or any other Labour MP.

“I wanted to do the best by every member of the house,” he said.

“I regret how it’s ended up. It was not my intention. I wanted all to ensure they could express their views. As it was, in particularly the SNP, were unable to vote on their own proposition.

“It is with my sadness that it ended in this position. It was never my intention. I recognise the strength of feeling of this house and its members. I will reflect on my part in that. I do not want it to have ended like this.”

He said he would meet party leaders and chief whips to discuss the best way forward, and added: “I thought I was doing the right thing. I do take responsibility for my actions.”

That was not enough for Mr Flynn. He acknowledged Hoyle’s apology but said the Speaker was warned that his decision would lead to the SNP not having a vote: “I am afraid that is treating myself and my colleagues in the SNP with complete and utter contempt.”

To Hoyle, he said: “Your position is intolerable.”

He clarified his position to journalists outside, saying there could be no vote on the SNP’s motion because the Labour party put pressure on the Speaker so that “Labour’s show was the only show in town.”

“This was all about something so much bigger than us and yet here we are talking about all of the wrong things” he says.

He said he had wanted to call for a ceasefire in Gaza with his party’s motion, but “this place has turned it into a complete pantomime.”

It is easy to understand why the SNP should be unhappy with Labour’s amendment, which is far more sympathetic to Israel than their motion would have been.

The amendment calls for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in Gaza, but does not mention the “collective punishment of the Palestinian people” which was part of the SNP motion and amounts to a war crime.

The Labour amendment also “condemns the terrorism of Hamas” and notes “that Israel cannot be expected to cease fighting if Hamas continues with violence”. And it calls for the release of hostages and international aid to be allowed into Gaza.

Some have said the amendment amounts to demanding a ceasefire “when Israel feels like it” – which is no good at all because Israel will feel like it after Gaza is leveled and every last child, woman and man there is dead or has been expelled.

So, thanks to Labour’s saboteurs, a debate that should have condemned Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza became a silly squabble about procedure, with an amendment that makes Israel look like the victim passed almost unnoticed.

Benjamin Netanyahu must be laughing like the maniac he is.

Why would the UK give asylum to refugees from Rwanda if that country is safe?

Rishi Sunak – stop the boats: is he trying to trick us, claiming it is safe to send asylum-seekers to Rwanda while GRANTING asylum to people from that country who are endangered by the regime there?

The Tory government’s argument that Rwanda is a safe country to which the UK can send “illegal” migrants has been called into question after it was revealed that the Home Office gave asylum in this country to refugees from there.

While Rishi Sunak and a succession of Home Secretaries have been arguing in court and Parliament that Rwanda is a safe place to send asylum-seekers, they were also giving four Rwandans refugee status in the UK.

The in-private finding that their fears of persecution were “well-founded” undermines public claims that the country is safe; if people indigenous to that country are in danger there, how can foreign nationals be safe?

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The revelation, after an investigation by The Observer and Led By Donkeys, raises fresh questions about UK police ahead of this week’s debate in the House of Lords of the Rwanda Bill that claims Rwanda is “unequivocally” safe.

The investigation has also seen details of a dossier compiled by a western intelligence agency that accused Rwanda of orchestrating a dirty tricks campaign to smear and undermine critics including those based in the UK. It is further claimed that a London PR firm set up social media accounts to target a British author, but the company has denied this.

One of the Rwandans was granted asylum by the Home Office on 12 October, the day after the government concluded a case in the supreme court arguing the country was safe.

The refugee was a supporter of an opposition party led by Victoire Ingabire Umuhoza, who is campaigning for justice for colleagues who have been killed or disappeared. The Rwandan also witnessed alleged atrocities committed by president Paul Kagame’s forces in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

He and his wife were granted asylum with the Home Office stating in a letter: “We accept that you have a well-founded fear of persecution and therefore cannot return to your country Rwanda, and we have recognised that you are a refugee under the 1951 Refugee Convention.”

The refugee, who still fears for his safety, said: “Britain should stop pretending this is a safe place. Find some other excuse for sending people to Rwanda but don’t say it’s because the place is ‘safe’, because that’s just insulting to people like me.”

More information is available in the Observer article (link below).

Will it be enough to foil the Tory government’s attempt to say Rwanda is safe? Probably not, due to the huge Tory majority in the House of Commons.

But it may be enough to persuade voters – during an election year – that we have a government that says one thing in public and does another in private. And we don’t want liars and hypocrites like that.

Source: Revealed: UK granted asylum to Rwandan refugees while arguing country was safe | Migration | The Guardian


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Asylum-seeker commits suicide on Bibby Stockholm as Parliament talks about Rwanda

The barge: Bibby Stockholm has been modified to take nearly twice as many asylum-seekers as it would have accommodated when it was a prison, creating serious humanitarian concerns – and now somebody has died there.

An asylum-seeker who had been sent to the converted prison ship Bibby Stockholm by the Tory government has committed suicide there (it is understood), while the UK’s Parliament debated plans to deport people like him to Rwanda.

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Conditions on the barge have been a matter of hot dispute since the Tories hired it – especially as the Home Office has refused to allow MPs from other parties to visit it and find out what it’s like for themselves:

To the Tories, it seems, the issue of asylum-seekers is one of logistics. They are cargo, not kinfolk, and as such may be handled in any way the lords and masters of the UK deem fit. The most common way seems to be to stoke hatred in order to provide a common enemy for the UK’s voters – one who isn’t a Tory, that is.

Some of us disagree with this policy:

Meanwhile, it seems the Rwanda deportation scheme is becoming ever-more-expensive, despite nobody having been moved anywhere (apart from Tory Home Secretaries):

And the cost of Bibby Stockholm itself is much greater:

It seems that, now, we must also count the cost in human lives.


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Israel supporter loses the plot in TV debate (this is deranged)

The look in his eyes says it all: James Schneider (right) is taken aback by the vehemence – and incoherence – of David Mencer’s attack.

If you thought you had seen bizarre televised debates before, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

James Schneider, co-founder of Momentum, took part in a debate on Talk TV in order to – as you see below – call for a ceasefire in Israel’s bombardment of Gaza (let’s be honest; it isn’t a conflict, and it certainly isn’t between Israel and Hamas).

He expected a reasoned debate with a well-informed disputant – or at least, whatever passes for that in TV studios these days.

If David Mencer, formerly a director of Labour Friends of Israel (apparently), is what Talk TV considers to be well-informed, then that channel needs new leadership.

It seems Mencer had no defence for the war crimes being committed by Israel in Gaza, so he resorted to false and defamatory statements about Mr Schneider instead.

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This Writer isn’t going to repeat the allegations for you; watch the clip for yourself. Mr Schneider’s comments about Keir Starmer, at the end of the clip, are also well worth watching.:

A commenter on ‘X’ suggested that Mencer is probably still ranting at his laptop now. This is believable!

How can anybody support Israel’s slaughter of the innocents with people like this supporting it?


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Do YOU support peaceful protest, even if it disrupts your schedule?

It’s a good question – and the answer should not be for members of the public to physically assault the protesters. Or should it?

That’s what MPs and journalists debated on the BBC’s Politics Live. Some of the opinions here may be abhorrent to many viewers – but if you are a protester, it’s good to know how others see you and what they would like to do!

Here’s the clip:

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Half a million people call for an early general election

Almost six times as many people as voted Liz Truss into 10 Downing Street are demanding an early general election in the hope of having her ejected.

Parliament will have to debate the petition because it has topped 100,000 signatories – and this may create a problem for Truss, who does not have the full support of her party in Parliament (especially after the godawful stink she has made in just four weeks).

The call for an election has been echoed by former Culture Secretary Nadine Dorries.

She tweeted that there was ‘widespread dismay’ at the prime minister – and we can conclude that she meant among her fellow Conservative MPs.

The government responded to the petition on September 20, saying nothing would change: “A change in the leader of the governing party does not trigger a general election – this has been the case under governments of successive political colours.”

But that isn’t the issue now.

The issue now is that the UK’s current – unelected – leadership has crashed the economy and cannot accept its role in having done so, and millions of people think it is time for a new administration.

Source: 500,000 people sign petition calling for early general election

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After Partygate fines, Tory-dominated Parliament is set to saddle us with a criminal government

Where he ought to be: but Boris Johnson looks set to avoid even the slightest censure for breaking the law and lying about it to Parliament because it seems Conservative MPs care more about their own money than the rule of law.

Look how far the UK has fallen under the corrupt leadership of these criminal Conservatives!

After being fined – probably less than the country’s poorest citizens, despite his offence being far worse – for attending a party he had personally explained to the nation was against the law, Boris Johnson looks set to get a free pass from his lickspittle Cabinet and backbenchers.

They seem to think that a criminal who knowingly lied to the nation – about the good times he was having at the same time he was forcing us apart from our friends, family and loved ones who were dying with Covid-19 – will continue to boost their own popularity in elections, and it seems they are more concerned with continuing to draw their enormous MP salaries and expenses claims than with upholding the law.

Only one Conservative – Tory Lord Wolfson – has acted on his conscience. He said the “scale, context and nature” of Covid breaches in government was inconsistent with the rule of law. As a Justice Minister responsible for the constitution, he said the prime minister’s failure to resign left him with no option other than to resign himself.

Three other Tory MPs have said Johnson should quit but others who have previously demanded his resignation have changed their tune and are now cravenly expressing support for the crook.

So the word is that, no matter what sanctions Opposition parties suggest against the UK’s first and only criminal prime minister, the Tories’ 80-seat voting majority will keep him in place.

According to the rules, he should have resigned last week so any failure to do so today (April 19) will be a further offence against the nation.

Johnson deliberately and repeatedly lied to Parliament and to the nation, saying he had not attended any illegal gatherings. Current intelligence suggests he went as far as organising one of them, which renders his current excuse – that he did not realise any of the events he was attending were illegal – into utter nonsense.

He is also expected to say that Partygate is not important – meaning the suffering he put you through while he raved it up is worth nothing to him and his MPs – and we should concentrate instead on the cost of living crisis (that he has caused) and the war in Ukraine (in which the UK is not a participant. In any case, many UK prime ministers have been replaced during wartime).

Opposition parties have been discussing how best to hold Johnson to account and demonstrate the corruption within the Tory ranks that support him. Possible measures include a censure motion or a vote of no confidence.

This Writer believes that it is in the debate that the most damage can be done. Each Conservative who stands up to speak will have to try to justify why they support a prime minister who has not only criminalised himself but has broken the ministerial code to lie about it – to Parliament, an offence that requires him to resign but he has failed to do so.

All Opposition MPs need to do is, when they stand up to speak after a Tory, pass a comment to the effect that the previous speaker is condoning criminality and should themselves be censured by the voters. But I doubt they will have the wit to do that.

Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle is expected to make a decision around lunchtime on what vote – if any – should take place on measures against Johnson (and, for that matter, against Chancellor Rishi Sunak, who has also been fined and is also, therefore, a criminal).

Whatever happens, the day is likely to end with the UK still labouring under the cosh of a government headed by two criminals. Nobody should be comfortable with that.

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Tory hypocrites say they can’t survive on £82k but we can make do with £18k; Johnson runs away

Backhander: if Tories are taking money from corporates, who do you think they are representing in Parliament? It isn’t you!

It doesn’t matter which side won the Parliamentary debate on whether having a second job is a mark of corruption in a member of Parliament – or whether they should be paid more, so they don’t need(?) another job.

The public decision has already been made.

So Peter Bottomley’s miserable pleading that £81,000 per year isn’t enough and MPs should be paid more is easily dismissed – especially when most of the country is trying to exist on less than £18,000.

Advisory roles?

They’re too easily corrupted into paid advocacy – exactly the kind of thing that led to Owen Paterson’s ejection from Parliament:

Richard Burgon’s comment echoes one I made a few days ago: that companies don’t hire MPs to “advise” them – they hire MPs to represent their interests when plum contracts become available.

Senior Tories still think it is acceptable to speak in support of this attitude:

Well, there are lots of MPs with second (and more) jobs in Parliament:

The rot goes right to the top:

And I wondered whether Randox will still want to employ Paterson when he is no longer an MP. What do you think the answer will be?

We’re even making jokes about it, in typical British style:

And where was Boris Johnson during the debate?

 

 

In fact, he was in a hospital in Northumbria, making a potential contagion risk out of himself by wandering around without a face mask.

He was challenged on the subject of the Parliamentary debate! But he showed what an absolute and utter disgrace he is by refusing to answer it, point-blank:

He didn’t have an answer. So, typically of this prime minister, he ran away and left his underlings to take the flak.

Boris Johnson ran away from corruption debate to run maskless through a hospital

Totally irresponsible: You can imagine Johnson’s excuse, though – “Er, er, they’re only northerners. I was trying to see how many I could contaminate in the shortest possible time. Haha!”

He’s totally irresponsible and a danger to everybody in the United Kingdom.

That was made abundantly clear when Boris Johnson elected to dodge the Parliamentary debate on MP corruption, pay and second jobs – to wander maskless through a hospital.

He, above all people, should know that nobody should go without a mask in an area where Covid-19 is likely to be found, caught, contracted. He fronted so many of the public information broadcasts about it.

Yet there he was – and you can see the photographic evidence for yourself.

What’s really amazing is the fact that he did this after contracting Covid-19, probably from visiting a hospital and shaking hands with the Covid patients who were there:

Even more shocking is the fact that the minister Johnson’s government put up to do the morning media round actually made the following excuse for his non-attendance:

Er, no – he was doing the equivalent of his erstwhile hide-in-a-fridge routine.

After the debacle of the last two years, won’t we all?

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