Hey UKIP, this is awkward – Daily Mirror
Vox Political has tried to resist this, but the graph is just too significant to ignore. From the Daily Mirror:
New research has shown recent immigrants have made a net contribution of £25bn to the UK over the last ten years.
That means immigrants who have arrived in the country since 2000 have paid more in taxes than they have received in benefits and services.
Over the same period the native UK population used £617bn more in services and benefits than they paid in taxes.
A lot of it is down to age. When we look at adult populations, which this study did, immigrants are likely to be younger – which means they have more of their working lives ahead of them. The native population, on the other hand, contains far many more retired people, who use much more than they pay in.
In 2011, the last year for which the study had data, the average age of someone born in the UK was 40. The average age of an immigrant from Europe was 34 and from elsewhere 32.
The UK-born population is also more likely to claim benefits and social housing, according to the study.
Immigrants from the European Economic Area make the strongest contributions, including those from the ‘A10’ countries which joined the EU in 2004 – for example Poland, Latvia, Lithuania.
An immigrant is much more likely to have a degree than someone born in the UK. The difference is even more stark if you look only at recent immigrants – 62% of immigrants from non-A10 EU countries (e.g. France, Italy) have a degree.
Far fewer immigrants are under-educated. This year in the UK around half of the population over 23 left school before 17. Only 1 in 5 immigrants from Europe has similarly low education, and 1 in 4 from outside Europe.
The study suggests that the cost of all immigrants was a loss to the UK of £113bn between 1995 and 2011, although that’s somewhat mitigated by the estimated £35bn saving made through their being educated abroad.
A recent Ipsos Mori poll found we think there are twice as many immigrants as there actually are – 24%, when the reality is 13%. This is a pattern of error repeated across the world.
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That’s great, but what do we do about the problem of UK natives and their huge drain on the country? Is there somewhere we can send them, or would it be better to ignore them and let them die off?
Best thing is to vote them out of Parliament.
Sssshh, or you’ll give the Tories the idea of extermination camps for the unemployed and disabled!
Which reports are we supposed to believe exactly:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10375358/True-scale-of-European-immigration.html
Its a shame that Nick Clegg betrayed English students within weeks of forming the coalition, maybe those graphs would be different if the English youths did not have to pay for a decent education
Can I request no shooting of the messenger please. I have supplied references.
There is a VERY big elephant in the room being missed out, the high unemployment rate of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, (in some cases 60%-75%)
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/documents/triennial_review/how_fair_is_britain_ch11.pdf
Plus just 3% of immigrants due to serial cousin marriage being responsible for 30% of the severely disabled children born in Britain.
http://www.medicinechest.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=452
What are “2nd and 3rd generation immigrants”?
Immigration is something you do. It’s not a status you pass on to your children and grandchildren.
I think the term you are looking for is ‘British people’.
However we juggle the figures, for some reason, it is the poorest and most marginalised of the UK natives who are feeling displaced, left out. Feeling that their children can never afford to move out of the house and get their own place, or find social housing even. I say ‘feel’ because I do not have anything but anecdotal evidence. Does anyone have evidence that there are problems for poor native Britons today, and that they are being squeezed out of the running for basic survival needs? If there isn’t then great. If there is, then is anyone going to address things, or just leave it to UKIP to ‘sort things out’?
UKIP won’t sort anything out. That’s a silly suggestion.
As for UK natives, has nobody considered the thought that people who have immigrated into the country don’t feel that way because the conditions you describe are still better than in their country of origin, and because they are contributing to the UK’s economy, and that makes them proud of what they have done – while people who were born here don’t have any such sense of investment and simply want what they can get out of the state? Just a thought.
Yep that makes perfect sense. Immigrants don’t come here and claim benefits because they aren’t, for the most part, eligible. But they do come here and take jobs which forces the local population onto benefits (or so the argument goes).
So this graph doesn’t prove anything, as many theories would produce results that look like this.
Or they take jobs that the local population would never dream of doing, in case they get their hands dirty (or so the argument goes). The jobs need to be done, though, so the graph proves that having immigrant workers doing them has boosted the economy.
Another argument against immigrant workers is that they work for less money – to which the counter-argument is that it has also been claimed that the minimum wage has allowed some employers to lower their rates significantly in any case, meaning indigenous workers would not have received more.
How many of these arguments and counter-arguments would you like to reheat?
Or they don’t take jobs at all and take the generous government handouts and homes at the taxpayers expense
That myth has been well and truly busted but if you want to believe it, go ahead. You sit in your little corner and ignore the real world.
Figures can show whatever you want them to show when manipulated.
Fir example, that graph is up to 2011. Four years ago!
How many countries have joined the EU since 2011?
Then also consider the world economic depression kicked in , which has greatly encouraged immigrants to flood our shores in the hope of a better and/or easier life?
It doesn’t include children of immigrants born in the UK in that time, and it certainly doesn’t include the countless illegal immigrants that made it into the country undetected.
Nor would it include the thousands of UK natives who have migrated away, thus lowering the gap even more.
The truth is, no one can put a number on immigration due to the gross mismanagement of it all by several governments.
Some experts believe the UK population has already exceeded 70 million in which case these figures in the graph are grossly innacurate.
Sadly, we will never know the true figures now, due to gross incompitence over so many years
That graph was using the most up-to-date official figures that were available to the independent organisation creating it, I think.
Since 2011, one nation has joined the EU – Croatia.
The recession arrived in 2009.
Children of immigrants, born in the UK, are citizens of the UK. If you’re born here, you’re a Brit.
Your information is inaccurate. Who’s trying to do the manipulating here?
As always this topic misses the point completely. If a country needs migrants to come in and do the jobs that Brits will not do, or, needs the skills and qualifications of some to fill positions requiring those skills, then the country has failed its population by not having a system that produces its own skilled workforce. If this country did what it was supposed to do in terms of education, welfare and etc., we would not need immigrants in the first place. The trouble with the EU a is that eventually all the countries within it will be dumbed down until all the countries are the same. I have no quarrel with the migrants, they are doing the best for themselves and their families (in the most part) but for a country to say it needs these migrants is an admission that they have failed its population, and until this equalisation occurs, we will have to suffer the consequences.