Tories quibble while opposition MPs shred Universal Credit. And where’s David Gauke?
The minority Conservative government ran away from another chance to explain how it will accommodate Parliament’s decision to pause the roll-out of Universal Credit, with Work and Pensions Secretary David Gauke nowhere to be seen during the urgent debate on Tuesday (October 24).
Instead, a succession of other Tories got on their hind legs to spout the usual nonsense – that Universal Credit makes work pay (it doesn’t), that the six-week (at the very least) delay before the first payment emulates the world of work in which payment is in arrears (it doesn’t – most people who are likely to receive Universal Credit would be paid weekly)
They tried to argue against the validity of last week’s Labour motion, which was approved by Parliament with no votes against it – but the best that could be said about these contributions is that they were quibbles.
Nobody cared about Mark Harper’s argument that the motion was simply to “pause” the rollout. Debbie Abrahams, in her opening speech of the debate on October 18, made it clear that the intention was for the government to fix the problems that are traumatising the people of the UK – and the debates have made it clear that there are far too many to have been included on the Order Paper.
Another Tory suggested that the volume of issues raised meant Labour wanted Universal Credit halted altogether, despite the Opposition party having said the opposite many times. Nobody cared.
And nobody cared when someone else said it was unfair to ask the government to respond after only three sitting days. Was it when the last Labour government lost an Opposition Day debate calling for Gurkhas to be allowed to live in the UK that the administration agreed to implement the decision on the same day?
If Labour can do it, why can’t the Tories?
Perhaps the most damning Tory quibble was the claim that none of the Opposition parties had offered a single good reason for pausing and fixing Universal Credit. It seems to This Writer that this claim is entirely based on money – if Labour had said fixing the system would make it cheaper, the Tories would have jumped over themselves to accept it. Without that, they’ll stick to hurting poor people with it.
Meanwhile, Labour and other Opposition MPs raised one home truth after another about the realities of the service that This Writer described on Twitter as “fatally flawed” – not just because it is a bad system, badly implemented, but because it causes people to die.
I was live-tweeting during the debate, and monitoring tweets from other people. Those tweets are reproduced below, to provide a taste of the debate – and the immediate reactions to it.
This will not go away – and the longer the Tories dither about it, the longer David Gauke fails to even turn up and explain himself, the worse it will be for the minority Tory government.
It is a government that refuses to be held to account and, as such, it is a government with no valid claim to authority. Perhaps a vote of ‘no confidence’, even if unsuccessful, will wake up these dozy, selfish, Tory dimwits.
Tory Secretary of State for work and pensions not attending emergency debate on UC today.My constituents are sanctioned for the same action👎
— Angela Rayner 🌹 (@AngelaRayner) October 24, 2017
We've heard nothing from the g'ment on #UniversalCredit after a pause was approved by Parliament last week, says @Debbie_abrahams
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Six-week delay is a POLICY, not implementation, decision, says @RhonddaBryant of #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Where is @DavidGauke , Work and Pensions Secretary, to answer: How will the g'ment respond to Parliament's will on #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Yes, it IS fair for the g'ment to respond within three sitting days. #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
It's not good enough to say, "This is not a binding motion". G'ment MUST respond to Parliament, says @Debbie_abrahams #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
" @Debbie_abrahams asks reduction 6 week wait + alternative payment options + reconsider closure of Job Centres + tax credits underspend
— WOWcampaign (@WOWpetition) October 24, 2017
Food banks in Wallasey are stockpiling because six-week wait means claimants won't have any money until after Christmas. #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
UniversalCredit @angelaeagle saying foodbank in her area looking to collect 15 tonnes of food due to concerns of UC rollout
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Regular Tory: People going without money for food for 6weeks is fine
Liberal Tory: No that's wrong but leaving them without for 4weeks is ok https://t.co/xm1vEkO7Ez— Pileus Media (@thepileus) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit entails a MINIMUM wait of six weeks for any money. Callers made this quite clear today. It's missing from most coverage.
— James O'Brien (@mrjamesob) October 18, 2017
More like 10-12 weeks. Read my blog https://t.co/P5hcUqj3Wm I've been documenting UC in my town over 4 years. It's dire. https://t.co/P7M3Lk4NH1
— Charlotte Hughes. The Poor Side Of life (@charlotteh71) October 24, 2017
Monthly payment, in arrears, is NOT in line with the world of work. Most working ppl likely to get #UniversalCredit are paid WEEKLY.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
No, @DamianHinds , if the g'ment participated fully in debates, it would respond PROMPTLY to the will of Parliament on #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
No, @DamianHinds , your pauses in #UniversalCredit rollout are not about fixing the problems that have been identified today and previously.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
1/4 million more in paid work because of #UniversalCredit ? So the g'ment will be subsidising employers who should pay a full living wage?
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
There's only one question here: Why is the g'ment treating the will of Parliament with contempt? #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
If the g'ment will not accept Parliament's will on #UniversalCredit , perhaps a vote of #NoConfidence will wake it up.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Sorry DailyMailers but Parliamentary Democracy functions by Ministers debating issues so his absence is a big problem #UniversalCredit pic.twitter.com/CtD7QHTAaB
— Pileus Media (@thepileus) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit advance payment is a loan Tories. A loan!
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Sorry, but any talk about huge improvements in #UniversalCredit by @DamianHinds is nothing but a lie. We see the horror stories EVERY DAY.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
In Parliament, a Tory MP has just asked "should we really expect the Government to have to respond?" to Universal Credit vote. Incredible!
— Richard Burgon MP (@RichardBurgon) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit what about abolition of severe disability premium & enhanced disability premium many dis ppl will lose £78 per week
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Add into it the cap to access to work the abolition of severe disability and enhanced disability premium
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
#universalcredit call for a lifting of benefit freeze
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Tory MP Kevin Hollinrake disputes #UniversalCredit delays and says advance payments are available
£150 is not enough to cover 6 weeks!
— Socialist Voice (@SocialistVoice) October 24, 2017
@kevinhollinrake makes plea for the taxpayer. As ppl on #UniversalCredit pay highest tax proportionally, that would be welcome.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
@kevinhollinrake also lies about where g'ment gets money. G'ment CREATES money, pays it into economy and taxes it back. #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit two week wait still leaves ppl with no money and rent arrears there should be no wait
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
#universalcredit it’s designed to make claimants give up it’s about sanctions conditionality causing distress and harm. More ppl will die
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
#universalcredit won’t help Independence it’s ramping up poverty evictions hunger and benefit sanctions. It’s a cruel and callous system
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Sorry DailyMailers but Parliamentary Democracy functions by Ministers debating issues so his absence is a big problem #UniversalCredit pic.twitter.com/CtD7QHTAaB
— Pileus Media (@thepileus) October 24, 2017
Mark Harper quibbles that the motion last week did not suggest HOW the g'ment should fix #UniversalCredit – ridiculous. He should grow up.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit UC is transforming lives alright causing homelessness hunger and poverty to rise
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
If #UniversalCredit claimants are perfectly able to manage finances, why are so many in rent arrears? Because payment is too low & too slow.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
#UniversalCredit why did senior DWP civil servants receive bonuses for failures of UC? Shouldn’t they be losing their jobs?
— paula peters (@paulapeters2) October 24, 2017
Incompetent, uncaring, and too scared to show his face to explain the shambles he's making of #UniversalCredit Resign #GaukeMustGo pic.twitter.com/JRRVLXd2f1
— The Prole Star (@TheProleStar) October 24, 2017
Dear @Mark_J_Harper Can I suggest you read Hansard!!! You seem to have memory loss https://t.co/QpN2ZNn4OF
— Judy Hamilton (@secretspartacus) October 24, 2017
@KellyTolhurst reading out a DWP press release on #UniversalCredit now. Wasting the Commons' time.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
There WAS mayhem before #UniversalCredit started to be rolled out. The flaws in the system were abundantly evident during its development.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
BothLabour and SNP MPs are currently destroying the Tories Universal Credit policy. But @DavidGauke hasn't turned up. #SanctionDavidGauke
— Rachael Swindon (@Rachael_Swindon) October 24, 2017
What's wrong with demanding many changes to a policy that is failing in many ways, @LucyFrazerUK ? #UniversalCredit is fatally flawed.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
When I suggest #UniversalCredit is fatally flawed, not only do I mean it must be thoroughly overhauled; I mean it kills. Blood on Tory hands
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
BothLabour and SNP MPs are currently destroying the Tories Universal Credit policy. But @DavidGauke hasn't turned up. #SanctionDavidGauke
— Rachael Swindon (@Rachael_Swindon) October 24, 2017
If you can't be bothered to do your job, just move over – we're ready, says Labour's @HughGaffneyMP to the Tories.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
100%! The sooner the better – my constituents can't afford another min of Tories here or the SNP in Scotland #universalcredit https://t.co/iYISmFLEOU
— Hugh Gaffney (@HughGaffneyCCB) October 24, 2017
James Cartlidge accuses Gordon Brown of creating huge benefit dependency with tax credits. Doesn't he know #UniversalCredit is worse?
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
https://twitter.com/ToriesOut2017/status/922844575819075586
James Cartlidge should tell his business friends to pay a living wage to employees, then they wdn't need benefits, inc. #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Welfare SHOULD be a platform to build from. Tory #UniversalCredit is a Kafkaesque burden so heavy that it buries people instead.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Tory MP says doesn't want to hear anymore "nonsense" talk of calculated cruelty
-don't look at Tory voting records #universalcredit #cuts— Jo (@Jobaker46) October 24, 2017
Truth hurts doesn't it. We aren't going anywhere, nor will we be silenced. https://t.co/7TBpOApuDp
— Charlotte Hughes. The Poor Side Of life (@charlotteh71) October 24, 2017
Quite right – if on #UniversalCredit you are taxed at 63%, if earning enough to pay tax, you are taxed at 75%. So the poorest pay most tax.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
I'm on JSA. I have 3 children. One still at college and all 3 are working. I'm sick of this lie the Tories keep throwing out.
— Michelle McKenna She/Her/Bi.💙🌈 (@Julianfreak) October 24, 2017
@stephenkerrMP trots out lies about #UniversalCredit that've been exposed IN THIS DEBATE! It DOESN'T mirror work and DOESN'T make work pay.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
.@stephenctimms tells parliament about problems reporting information for #UniversalCredit pic.twitter.com/n9T4D9YsWR
— Haggis_UK 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 (@Haggis_UK) October 24, 2017
This Tory suggests the call is to stop #UniversalCredit & its "transformative" policies. Good idea when it transforms live ppl into dead ppl
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
I wish the Tories had bothered to listen to the debate before trotting out the same twaddle again and again. #UniversalCredit
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
Members of all parties know the problems with #UniversalCredit & are willing to work together, says @Debbie_abrahams . Why won't the Tories?
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
John Bercow puts the question, that the Commons have debated the g'ment's reaction to last week's #UniversalCredit debate- & no-one responds
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) October 24, 2017
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After today’s pantomime, inaction by Mr Bercow will lead to very real problems, I suspect.
No Confidence. Time to boot them out, they are not a Government, they are an Abusement. An Abusement of Parliament, an Abusement of our Constitution, the Nation and its People, the Queen, our Trading Partners, Fair Play, Honesty, Integrity, Humanity and even of the Environment. Every thing they do is not “Government” but “Abusement”. The Tory Abusement.
According to the Tory’s where UC has been rolled out in their areas there’s never a problem everything going smoothly Job Centres love UC. Problems only arise at Labour areas and SNP areas. Is this because DWP arrange it that way or are the Tory’s lying through their back teeth.
MPs are really public employees not public persecutors and must be made to do their work properly; just as employees outside of Westminster have to do their job properly or face the sack so should these public employees. These people seem to think that their role in society is to rule us all and conveniently forget that they are paid by the public to do their job responsibly.
Well the tories are getting away with genocide with the help of the BBC and other media, when will there be a stand made against them by now there should be a general strike
In my area agencies are struggling already with “just” the basic single person roll out of UC. Food banks are barely coping, advice centres already overloaded with the consequences of poverty and missing / wrong / none payments. To say it’s a disaster is mild. This non-debate and arrogance of the Tories simply reinforces the truth that this is cruelty by design,hunger and homelessness as a method of collective punishment, and the cuts to disability benefits further evidence of persecution of that minority.
The Tories have borrowed the Nazi ideology of causing ‘psychological discomfort’ to claimants, the very same tactic used against death camp internee’s to make them suffer before the inevitable end.
I started watching this debate……. and very quickly gave up! Having to listen to the same old sh*te all the time from the Govt benches is tiring and boring!