Supporters of the Jewish Labour Movement respond to This Site’s critique – with abuse
It was only to be expected.
Those who support the witch-hunt that accuses innocent people of anti-Semitism seem unable to respond to reasoned criticism of their activities with anything other than abuse – that is often libellous as well.
I knew I should expect it when I wrote my piece arguing that the Labour Party should not be pleading with the Jewish Labour Movement to remain affiliated, but should in fact be slinging it out on its ear.
The organisation decided to keep its affiliation for the time being – prompting suspicions that its leaders are planning a high-profile walkout, to stoke anti-Labour (and anti-Jeremy Corbyn) sentiment with falsehoods.
In response to my arguments that the Jewish Labour Movement has an agenda that supports the racist, apartheid administration in Israel, above the needs of Jewish people in the Labour movement or the UK as a whole (consider its treatment of rival organisation Jewish Voice for Labour), I faced personal abuse based on the false accusations that were levelled against me.
It seems those who are responsible cannot even recognise the huge contradiction in trying to bully those they are accusing of victimising them.
Example:
All I'm saying is it's not very clever, when you're accusing someone of hate speech, to use inflammatory language yourself.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) March 7, 2019
I don't recognise any of those descriptions, if you are trying to apply them to me.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) March 7, 2019
Here’s another personal attack. Note the recourse to obscene language at the end:
Maybe if I had more than abuse from people like yourself I might react differently.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) March 7, 2019
Some of the responses tried to pin more false accusations on me, like this, which implies that I was saying Jews aren’t welcome in the Labour Party. Of course I stated no such thing:
Why's that? Where do I say Jews aren't wanted in .@UKLabour ? I don't want the JLM affiliated, for clear reasons.
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) March 7, 2019
There has been no response at the time of writing.
How about this, from Jewish Chronicle hack Lee Harpin? It follows the classic tactic of making a broad accusation without any attempt to support it with evidence.
This is disgusting and full of lies. https://t.co/IfhPq4fRpR
— lee harpin (@lmharpin) March 6, 2019
Wasn’t Mr Harpin recently pilloried for writing an article that was full of inaccuracies? I didn’t keep a record of it because – well, it’s the Jewish Chronicle. Perhaps a reader could remind us all? So it’s a bit rich, him accusing me of lying. Let’s see how it turned out, though:
It's in the JLM's mission statement: "Our objects: To maintain and promote Labour or Socialist Zionism as the movement for self-determination of the Jewish people within the state of Israel."
— Mike Sivier (@MidWalesMike) March 8, 2019
Not so well for Mr Harpin, it seems!
Most important to this set of detractors, it seems, was a need to undermine my claim that the JLM supports the racism and apartheid of the current Israeli government – making the JLM itself racist and apartheid-supporting:
https://twitter.com/JohnQSmithIII1/status/1103585883469631488
I don’t need to.
There’s a wealth of evidence, like the United Nations’ finding that the Israeli military may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in their actions against Palestinians:
Increase the possibility of #ICC4Israel ◢◤#UN investigators said,#IOF may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity in killing 189 Palestinians & wounding more than 6,100 at weekly protests in Gaza, 2018https://t.co/DDrczAgsVg
FEB. 28, 2019#FreePalestine🇵🇸— KAKAPO➤Endangered (@178kakapo) February 28, 2019
On a broader theme, consider Ronnie Barkan’s speech in court, earlier this week, in which he blows JohnQSmithIII’s claim that “nealry 2m Arabs live with full social, economic & political rights in Israel” to smithereens:
Ronnie Barkan demolished the myths manufactured by Israel and its supporters in a fantastic speech this week. The speech was delivered in a Berlin courtroom, where Ronnie is on trial for interrupting an Israeli political representative. Great work,… https://t.co/3dISCQ3QSk
— David Cronin (@dvcronin) March 6, 2019
Perhaps most damning is the condemnation of the world’s most celebrated opponent of apartheid – and his surviving family.
In the article linked below, Nelson Mandela’s grandson, Nkosi Zvelivelile states: “Even before Israel passed its “nation state law” (stipulating that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country) it was easy to see, for anyone willing to look, that the country’s government was committing the crime of apartheid. Its segregation wall, discriminatory admissions committees, ID-card systems, roads built for settlers which are not accessible to Palestinians, and the bantustan-like fragmentation of the West Bank gave the game away.”
My grandfather Nelson Mandela fought apartheid. I see the parallels with Israel | Nkosi Zwelivelile https://t.co/cJ0kRuEtfQ
— The Guardian (@guardian) October 11, 2018
He was following in a great family tradition as his grandfather was also outspoken against Israeli apartheid:
If UK @Conservatives think “Mandela is the defining politician of his generation”, do they agree with him in condemning Israel as an apartheid state?#FreePalestine
@xMATTxLAWx @PSCupdates @flowerchucker @WomenForPal @BrightonPSC @redtailshark159 @FreePali1948 @LuckyHeronSay pic.twitter.com/4tmPqAzSjn— Oliver ✊🌏🔥 #ClimateAction #EcoSocialist (@tynewrc) February 12, 2019
Point made?
We are left to ask why people like the Jewish Labour Movement and its supporters are keen to whitewash Israeli apartheid and racism – and falsely accuse anyone in the Labour Party who points out the contradiction. Dan El Rojo points out the contrast with genuine anti-Semitism found in other European Countries:
https://twitter.com/Socialismilucra/status/1103751757446950912
We all know the real reason: Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn wants a peaceful, equitable solution to the Israel/Palestine question that ends the apartheid and racism currently in force.
The JLM, wedded to the Zionist political ideology of the Israeli goverment and the racist apartheid system it supports, will do all it can to prevent Mr Corbyn from rising to power and putting his beliefs into practice.
The evidence against JLM is slowly mounting up
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-was-refounded-fight-corbyn
The Jewish Labour Movement was revived in 2015 to battle Jeremy Corbyn,
A right-wing organization with intimate ties to the Israeli embassy, the Jewish Labour Movement claims to have been affiliated to Labour for a century.
But a transcript of an undercover recording, obtained by The Electronic Intifada, casts doubt on this narrative.
It indicates that the dormant Jewish Labour Movement was revived by political allies of Israel as a weapon against Corbyn, the left and the wider Palestine solidarity movement.
Isn’t the Jewish labour movement in itself bigotted? After all by definition it’s membership is limited.
Not at all – you don’t have to be Jewish or a member of the Labour Party to be in the JLM. All you have to do is support the Zionist political ideology and the current policies of the government of Israel.
What has any of that to do with the
U.K. £abour Party?
There is no Israeli apartheid. I have visited with friends and been on busses and trains with Jews, muslims, Christians…….. In restaurants, shops……. Don’t believe liars like the mulims in Gaza, e.g. hamas. They are terrorists.
Are you suggesting I shouldn’t believe “liars” like Nelson Mandela?
I’m not doubting you but what you say is the equivalent of saying that there’s no racism in Britain, just because you, personally, have never encountered it. It is possible that there is, indeed and in fact apartheid in Israel but you simply havcen’t witnessed, been made aware of, or noticed it? You are less likely to notice something that doesn’t affect you.
I read, this even, that £abour is to be investigated by the Equality And Human Rights Commission, which, it is said, believes that the Party “may have ‘unlawfully discriminated against people because of their ethnicity and religious beliefs’ and it’s ‘concerns are sufficient for us to consider using our statutory enforcement powers’.” The Party, allegedly, has 14 days in which to respond.
More likely to be an attempt at a power-grab, rather than a walkout, I think.
Stella Creasy sent this tweet a few days ago:
https://mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1103048521798877184
… a list of 100+ Labour MPs, pledging to join the JLM and assert that it is the legitimate representative of Jews in the Labour Party. Tom Watson is among them.
If this was a sincere attempt to improve the ability of Jews to be heard in the Party, you would expect the leading names on the list to be of Jewish MPs. Instead, I believe the first Jewish MP here is Alex Sobel, in 26th place. I did tweet to Creasy, questioning whether this is presumptuous… unsurprisingly, I have not had a reply. Looks like they’re trying to build a power-base, perhaps for another coup.
I’ll probably be labelled an anti-Semite for saying this but why this obsession with Jews? There are other people in the £abour Party. Do we need a Jewish £abour Movement? Why can we not all just be £abour? Should we have an Asante £abour movement, too? I don’t see them represented. How about a Catholic £abour Movement? Sikh £abour Movement? The way that media and certain M.P.s are reporting, anybody, who didn’t know, would think that Jews are the only people who matter. Surely, it’s about ALL of £abour? When one people’s voice becomes louder than those of others, as seems to be happening, for whatever reason, we have a problem. Furthermore, by putting so much emphasis on Jews, these people are sewing the seeds of resentment and making Jews a target. Perhaps, that is the intention? Whatever the reason, it is bad and it needs to stop.