How is the Church of England going to stop unmarried people from having it off?
Justin Welby: this latest proclamation from the Church is a blunder that the Archbishop of Canterbury should have avoided.
Apparently the Church of England has issued advice saying that only heterosexual, married couples should have sex.
Firstly, it is hypocritical for a religious organisation to try to tell the rest of us to abstain, considering the number of sex scandals caused by priests – of all denominations.
And secondly, as a friend of mine just pointed out: “How are you going to stop us, Justin?”
I am reminded of Billy Connolly’s reaction to Presbyterianism in Scotland (which I’ll censor slightly for the Vox Political audience): “John Knox, a f*cking weary willy of a man, and a hypocrite too: ‘THOU SHALT NOT! This is a race of people who wear skirts and no knickers! We f*cking SHALL, pal! Done it before and we’ll do it again.”
It’s political, of course – and the Church has said as much; it is supposed to be a reaction to the introduction of mixed-sex civil partnerships.
But I think there’s more to it than that.
Tories across the country have been moaning about the amount of benefits being paid to poor people who have lots of children (many outside the bonds of wedlock).
Back in the day, it used to be enough to tell people that sex outside marriage was sinful and you’d go to Hell (or some similarly horrible place. Finchley, maybe, or Uxbridge).
Perhaps the Tories are hoping to revive those superstitious and fearful times.
Tough.
There are much more complicated issues here than can be solved with a proclamation from a religious organisation.
All the Church of England has done is make itself look foolish and primitive.
Source: Sex is for married heterosexual couples only, says Church of England | World news | The Guardian
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The church is irrelevant anyway. My Mother used to refer to the Church of England as “The Tory Party at prayer”.
back in the day, (my day.lol) there were fewer couples who lived together than there are now. theres one good reason for it…… (2 actually). 1 being youngsters simply do not want the hassle/expense etc. When i got married in 1968,it was still fairly expensive to get wed, especially if you wanted a massive gypsy style wedding with loads of people there (each wanting a free meal etc,) but most poorer people went for a simpler version. still a lot did the whole thing with a white dress and veil, possibly bridesmaids , a wedding march down the church aisle. and a bit of a do at the church hall or possibly a nice restaurant,(we had the scottish room at our local steak house. 26 guests. a 3 tier horseshoe cake with my new hubbys scottish tartan ribbon around that n the bouquets, most of it was done on the cheap but still a sit down meal. buy your own drinks after the first one(that was hard fought for as my dad was strictly teetotal)…… the whole thing including dresses etc cost less than a £100./ fast forward to now and that alone would cost over a £1000.in fact, hazzarding a guess more likely in the 10,000 range. now they are lucky if they can get the dress for what our wedding cost us……….. soooooooo how many poorer people can afford all that? even a registry office do is pretty expensive. the church itself costs quite a bit now. . vicar, organist,. bells and/or choir if yu have them…..(is that why justin welby is saying this? more people,if they ARE getting wed, do so at a registry office i bet so the church is down on revenue……(just a thought)…. but as my daughter said to me when i asked her why she didnt want to get married…….. she said..you n dad got married. 17yrs later you got divorced. that bit of paper does not keep people together. then you have a costly divorce ,(dont forget today theres no green paper etc for help with costs for divorce as far as i am aware( i stand to be corrected on that if i am wrong)… top n bottom of it is. few people in the lower income bracket can afford to get married. does that mean they have to live celibate lives?. no pleasure at all? doesnt stop people falling in love (or even thinking they are in love) don’t get me wrong. I dont believe they should have countless kids. 2 was quite enough for us. in this day theres ways of preventing having so many mouths to feed. yes even in mine there was family planning clinics, and contraceptive devices. and yes when on benefits its wrong to pop out one kid after another once on them(benefits that is). prior to GOING on benefits people dont expect their lives to change so drastically as they are doing under this tory govt. and everyone has a right to have children if they so want. we would not have the wherewithall to enable it physically if we werent meant to have them……. sorry this a lengthy answer hope people understand where i am coming from. Justin Welby is married.Caroline and Justin have had six children………. sorry? who is he to preach celibacy in that case?. ill shutup now.
Ah the bishop of can’t hay whot a god like creature he isn’t forgotten his flock forgotten whot a bishop does oily is just another mouth piece of this government remember his that day he got off his perch and told Cameron off yet the following day recanted it in the house of lords just another imp I’m afraid whose just another Robert plant oh eck
In your words, it’s “advice” which can be taken, or ignored. Secondly, it’s pretty good advice. It speaks to trying to create stable families, which are the building blocks of any society. You don’t have to agree but there is a logic to it.