“It’s what?” – It’s a victory for a UNITED Kingdom, that’s what!


Scaremongering: Independence campaigners claimed Scotland would face Unionist retribution for daring to hold the referendum, if its people decided to stay in the UK. It seems this will prove untrue.

At long last, a democratic vote of the people has been won by Gordon Brown.

Nobody can say this was a victory for David Cameron. Even the Torygraph which, admittedly, has had problems with the Conservative leader of late, had little to say about his role other than to say that he had been humbled by one populist politician (Nigel Farage), and came close to being “permanently undone” by another (Alex Salmond).

If the thought of seeing David Cameron “permanently undone” makes you likely to lose your breakfast (especially if you have a vivid imagination), you probably won’t be consoled by the fact that the Torygraph editorial said the same about Ed Miliband.

It went on to say that Conservative spirits have slumped, and a UKIP win in Clacton could still finish off Cameron as a political force of any kind. Is that really likely, though?

Where the Torygraph comes well and truly unstuck is in its appraisal of Labour (quelle surprise). “We now know that Labour’s wafer-thin lead is good for nothing this far from the election,” it whimpers. Do we? Do we know that? We have just seen a campaign orchestrated by a former Labour Chancellor and boosted at the end by a former Labour Prime Minister save the United Kingdom from break-up. That seems more like a solid endorsement of the Labour Party.

“For all the cross-party sheen to Better Together, behind the scenes, it was a Labour operation from start to finish,” states the Torygraph editorial in self-contradictory overdrive. In that case, Labour’s “wafer-thin” poll lead is not only an accurate representation of British feeling; it undervalues Labour’s popularity.

“The question they must be asking themselves is this: what happens when the British public start paying attention in the last weeks of April 2015? And who do they have who can have the same stabilising effect that Gordon Brown had?”


Gordon Brown was the man who de-stabilised Labour’s campaign in 2010 when he was recorded describing Labour voter Gillian Duffy as a “bigoted woman”! Now the Torygraph wants you to believe he stabilised voters and voting intentions?

Perhaps it’s a sign of right-wing disarray. They don’t know whether they’re coming or going.

But let’s get back to the by-election in Clacton, which will be the next test for democracy in this still-united nation. The Telegraph (let’s dignify it with its proper title) wants you to believe that UKIP might win it, but doesn’t the referendum result indicate that the result must depend on turnout?

UKIP won its seats in the European election on an average turnout of around 34 per cent. Turnout for the referendum was 84.5 per cent. It seems clear that ‘populist’ politicians like Farage can only win if turnout is low and they mobilise all their supporters to come out and vote. It’s the same with any political organisation whose views are seen as (with apologies to Yes supporters) extremist; they rely on middle-of-the-road voters staying at home.

Lately, that has been exactly what has happened – and we have all seen what that gave us.

It seems the tide has turned.

Practical issues: David Cameron has made it clear that he plans to honour promises made by his Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats to devolve more powers to Scotland in the event of a ‘No’ vote. Many commenters on this blog and its associated Facebook page were determined to make the rest of us believe this was a lie; they should be eating their words around now, along with a little Humble Pie, perhaps.

The timetable is swift, with agreement on new powers over tax, spending and social security to come in November and the legislation in January.

Lastly, a note of caution:

David Cameron scuttled out of his hole after the result was decided,  to deliver a speech about the future.  He said: “We now have a chance – a great opportunity – to change the way the British people are governed, and change it for the better.”

Isn’t that exactly what he was supposed to have been doing for the last four years – and making a disastrous, hopeless mess of it?

He reckons his government is going to draw up new powers for Wales, Northern Ireland and England as well, and he has brought in William Hague to oversee the latter. So it’s going to be a self-serving disaster for democracy, then.

If there’s one thing we can trust Cameron and Hague to do, it is flushing our rights down history’s lavatory. For all we know, they don’t even understand the proper way to sit on one.

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16 thoughts on ““It’s what?” – It’s a victory for a UNITED Kingdom, that’s what!

  1. Rebecca Devitt (@CarbonisedPleb)

    I’d like to wait to see just what it is that Cameron is going to offer (impose) on Scotland (and the rest of UK?) before I decide whether it is something to be welcomed. What seems like an ‘awfully’ good idea and very generous to a Tory, may not sit so well with those left of Attila the Hun and those in desperate need of assistance.

    1. Michele Witchy Eve

      Agreed Rebecca, this feels far from over. Mike is right that it has to be agreed with the other parties but that may prove as fraught and potentially destabilising as the indyref itself. Put simply, the baskets may be ready but the hen has yet to lay the eggs.

  2. Mr.Angry

    I would be surprised if tories used a loo, thought they are to posh and are exempt from such functions. However they tend to spout a lot of it !!!!!

  3. Jo Urquhart

    And you trust Cameron to keep his promise?? No top down reorganisation of the NHS, ring any bells?

    The tide hasn’t turned at all, Westminster has just had the shot in the arm it needed. This will be an excuse for a power-grab for the Tories, more centralisation…and more cuts.

    The Scots will be offered some watered down package that gives them basically nothing more that they have now…once it’s been through Parliament and all the amendments have been added…they will probably be worse off than they are now. What you say, it has to be voted on in the Commons? Well forget that then…who do you think will win that vote?

    You’ve been conned my friend…along with all the other no vote supporters. Shame on you for believing this liar!

    One good thing may come out of all this….if more of the population wakes up and becomes more politically engaged we may be able to kick this lot into oblivion some day soon….although I’m not holding my breath!

    1. Mike Sivier Post author

      Oh, Cameron’s a liar, no doubt about it.
      But I don’t think he’s got room to manoeuvre here.
      Your response was to be expected, though.

  4. hilary772013

    Mike I am relieved that Scotland voted NO to independence but I am getting concerned now about devolution, I just do not understand the implications of this for the United Kingdom & in particular England, the Barnett formula is being spouted on the BBC & that Scottish MP’s will not able to vote on English Laws etc surely this is going to be devastating for the English & particularly Labour as Scotland has a huge amount of Labour MP’s.Does this mean the Tories are going to be able to ride roughshod over us?

    It was also mentioned that for example the North West could ask for devolution.

    I had a quick look at the Barnett formula which was apparently drawn up 30 years ago and it does not include the ability to set welfare reforms etc. It also gives more money per head to for example Scotland.

    My head is spinning, as I just do not understand.

    1. Mike Sivier Post author

      Interesting that you say Barnett gives more money to Scotland. One of the main planks of the ‘Yes’ campaign was that Scotland was subsidising the rest of the UK!

  5. casalealex

    Some of Cameron’s promises before the last election:

    “No frontline cuts”
    NHS nurses, hospital beds, a third of ambulance stations, firefighters and frontline police officers – all cut. CAMERON LIED.

    “no top-down NHS reorganisations”
    At 2.10pm on the afternoon of Tuesday, 27th March 2012…. The Health and Social Care Bill repealing the legal foundations of the NHS in England was given royal assent and became law. CAMERON LIED

    Tories said: “no VAT rise”. VAT increased. CAMERON LIED
    Cameron on Education Maintenance Allowances: “we don’t have any plans to get rid of them.” Nine months later, Coalition announced abolition of EMA. CAMERON LIED

    Cameron on Sure Start:
    The day before the general election, Cameron pledged to protect Sure Start, “Yes, we back Sure Start.” Since then, 566 of the centres have been closed, with over half of those still open no longer providing any onsite childcare.  CAMERON LIED

    “Cameron on child benefit: “I wouldn’t means-test it – “read my lips” pledge: “I’m not going to flannel you, I’m going to give it to you straight. I like the child benefit, I wouldn’t change child benefit, I wouldn’t means-test it, I don’t think that is a good idea.” The coalition went on to abolish the benefit for higher earners in the Spending Review and froze it for three years. CAMERON LIED.

    On the Future Jobs Fund: “no plans to change”
    March 2010, Cameron praised Future Jobs Fund as a “good scheme” May 2010, the coalition announced its abolition (only for a subsequent DWP study to show that it had been an unambiguous success, with a net benefit to the economy of £7,750 per participant). It was replaced with the ineffective Work Programme, later found to be “worse than doing nothing”.  CAMERON LIED.

    Cameron said on transparency in 2007
    “It’s clear to me that political leaders will have to learn to let go. Let go of the information that we’ve guarded so jealously.” CAMERON LIED.

    Cameron suffers from mendacious Pinnochioitis – watch his nose lengthen with the LIES coming out in the next few months. The above post is just the beginning.

    1. Mike Sivier Post author

      The promise to provide more devolved powers isn’t a Cameron promise, though – it came from all the main Westminster leaders.
      I think we will see a lot of accusations that these promises were false, right up to the moment they become law.
      After that, we’ll see a lot of accusations that Scotland still didn’t get what it was promised.
      Smoke and mirrors. It’s not just the Tories who use these tactics.

    2. Mr.Angry

      Thanks casalealex for bringing back the evil deeds of this outright liar, I had tried to put some of them out of my mind. Have a peep @ greenbenches cameron’s 100 failures. You will need anti-depressants after doing so.

  6. nick

    Cameron will do whatever it takes to get him reselected next year as pm that’s for certain. Boris Johnson will fill his shoes once he has gone that’s for certain

    The vote on leaving the EU like the Scottish result on becoming independent will also fail that’s for certain

    as for Nigel Farage taking a seat that to wont happen we have to stay together as a group of countries and Scotland has proved that point

    the only thing that is needed is a decent prime minister and that we do not have not now nor next year ed milliband is not the answer neither is Boris Johnson so the next five years will just as now be very difficult for those at the bottom of society and the sick and disabled

    should a decent pm come about mike you’ll be the first to know as it will be crystal clear to everyone

  7. thoughtfullyprepping

    It is a pity that Scotland lost it’s chance of freedom from Westminster.
    Personally I think it would have been good for them.

    One good thing has come about though.
    The EU & US won’t need to arm the rebels to overthrow the newly appointed government and the UK government won’t be openly applying sanctions.

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