The Israel/Palestine conflict as seen on (This Site’s) social media
If you’ve been following the Israel/Palestine conflict on the mainstream media (I haven’t) it seems you may have been led to believe that the attack on Israel by Hamas was pure evil.
Palestinians have been accused of kidnapping children, raping women, murdering indescriminately. Has torture been in the mix?
Meanwhile, what has been said about the reasons given by Hamas for launching its attack in the first place? The constant – several times daily – abuse and occasionally murder of Palestinians (including children) by Israeli occupation forces? Anything?
The social media seems to have offered a more balanced view, as I hope to demonstrate below – with one caveat: there has also been a lot of foaming-at-the-mouth hatred – mostly towards Israel. This Writer can’t tell whether that has been by genuine lunatics or bad-faith actors trying to paint supporters of Palestinian independence as genocidal anti-Zionists.
Here’s some of the back-and-forth, as it appeared on my ‘X’ feed:
Let’s start with Keir Starmer saying there is “no justification” for the Hamas attack – and Jackie Walker’s response, explaining that it is a retaliation against Israel’s illegal occupation and colonisation of Palestine, that is itself an act of war:
The Israeli regime is illegally occupying and colonising. Israeli society is militarised- all adults, male and female, are trained soldiers ready and willing to be called up to fight. Any death by an act of war is awful. Occupation is also an act of war. Apartheid is an act of…
— Jackie Walker – HRH, MP, MBE, ABC (@Jackiew80333500) October 7, 2023
This is self-explanatory – an Israeli minister evading questions about what her government and its armed forces have been doing to Palestinians:
Merav Michaeli, the leader of the Israeli Labor party, is asked if what is happening now is linked to the Israeli occupation. She ignores the question. The interviewer asks again, is what is happening now related to years and years of occupation? Michaeli calls that an 'excuse' pic.twitter.com/q2h9CXtf5M
— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) October 7, 2023
Armed struggle by Palestinians against illegal occupiers is legitimate under international law:
It must be emphasised that armed struggle by the Palestinian resistance against the occupier is legal under international law.
This is from UN General Assembly resolution 37/43 adopted in 1982. There is no ambiguity about it. pic.twitter.com/Jmi4jpPqEA
— Matt Kennard (@kennardmatt) October 7, 2023
Double-standards of Israel’s international supporters is demonstrated by their attitude to the same tactic as Hamas has employed, being carried out in Ukraine:
There’s clear double standard in endorsing terrorism against civilian targets by Ukraine (which one can obviously argue is justified – they face occupation) & condemning it by Palestinians.
Those fighting our enemies = war of liberation
Those fighting our allies = terrorism https://t.co/t1G3gQ7HnP
— Aaron Bastani (@AaronBastani) October 7, 2023
Former Cabinet minister Sajid Javid says Hamas has been proscribed by the UK as a terrorist organisation. The question is: was that decision justified in the light of what Israel has been doing to Palestine and Palestinians?
Hamas are not ‘fighters’ or ‘militants’.
The UK has proscribed Hamas as a terrorist organisation – today’s indiscriminate rockets, executions and kidnappings show why.
— Sajid Javid (@sajidjavid) October 7, 2023
Israeli journalist Gideon Levy provides more insight into why people in Gaza might want to resist Israel:
"Gaza is a cage, is the biggest prison in the world. Nobody spoke about lifting the siege. People who live 70 years in a cage want to resist, and if they have the possibility they'll do it…"
Israeli journalist Gideon Levy speaking on BBC News. pic.twitter.com/e6HWFPSp48
— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) October 7, 2023
Andrew Feinstein at Double Down News shows footage of what Israel has been doing in Palestine and demonstrates that Israel’s supporters in other countries like the UK are supporting this barbarity by silencing comment on it, many because they see Israel as the centre of an ethno-fascist movement of which they want to be a part:
“It’s seen as noble and right for Ukrainians to defend themselves so why is it not right for Palestinians?” @AndrewFeinstein pic.twitter.com/BdOJWe1WkQ
— Double Down News (@DoubleDownNews) October 7, 2023
UK broadcaster Adil Ray points out that Israel’s retaliation is not helpful:
Bombing innocent civilians is not the answer. It is an abhorrent act that only brings more harm. And neither is an occupation of someone’s homeland. It has to be in the interests of all world leaders to find a peaceful solution in Israel and Palestine. Our inaction is complicit.
— Adil Ray OBE (@adilray) October 7, 2023
Michael Walker of Novara Media points out how Israeli policy has attacked the very existence of Palestine. Why is it forbidden to question the existence of Israel when Israel illegally erodes the existence of Palestine?
https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1710571617472897253
Rapper and activist Lowkey explains the reality of the Israel/Palestine conflict:
https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1710756124998222169
Right-wing commentator Dan Hodges tries to score points against UK left-wingers by claiming that a movement that should support international peace has support for terrorism as the “price of admission” to fashionability (whatever that means):
Thing to remember about left wing commentators attempting to justify Hamas’ barbarism. They don’t even believe it themselves. But it’s the price of admission to the fashionable left. If you don’t show you’re prepared to fetishise these murderers, you don’t get it.
— (((Dan Hodges))) (@DPJHodges) October 7, 2023
An interesting historical note. I haven’t verified this, though:
Worth remembering that Israel helped spawn Hamas as a way to crush the secular nationalism of Yasser Arafat's PLO. The US did same thing with Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.
This is a pretty good article in Wall Street Journal going over the history.👇https://t.co/r8oksKlJIH
— Matt Kennard (@kennardmatt) October 7, 2023
Senior political correspondent for the Daily Express attacks Labour MP Apsana Begum for supporting Palestinian freedom from Israel. He seems shocked that Palestinians would say the attacks on Israel were due to Israel’s own behaviour:
NEW: Hard-left MP Apsana Begum posed with a Palestinian campaign group this afternoon – just five hours after that same campaign group announced a protest outside the Israeli embassy tomorrow, blaming the terror attacks on Israel's own behaviour. https://t.co/hUmsGZhoMS pic.twitter.com/GTFtMhSPoo
— Calgie (@christiancalgie) October 7, 2023
More than half of British people feel “unfavourable” towards Israel, according to a poll:
📊 Just a quarter of Brits feel favourably towards Israel, according to the latest data:
✅ Favourable 25% (+1)
❌ Unfavourable 52% (+1)Via @YouGov, 8-25 August (+/- since July) pic.twitter.com/eBteUg6EjE
— Stats for Lefties 🇵🇸🏳️⚧️ (@LeftieStats) October 7, 2023
Adil Ray (again), while approving of the messages of support for Israel, suggests that Palestinians might welcome support for their right to an unoccupied homeland:
There has quite rightly been a unanimous response from western leaders stating Israel’s “right to defend itself”. Unified statements are powerful stuff. Many in Palestine would no doubt welcome unanimous statements that defended the Palestinian right to an unoccupied homeland.
— Adil Ray OBE (@adilray) October 7, 2023
Supporters of Palestinian independence celebrate the attack on Israel in London. Right-wing commentator Nile Gardiner wants them arrested as possible terrorists themselves, or even illegal migrants, on the basis that they support a strike for freedom from occupation.
The British Govt should arrest and detain supporters of Islamist terror movements such as Hamas, and assess whether they have direct links to these organizations and pose a national security risk. Any illegal migrants found among them should be swiftly deported. https://t.co/NpTv65rx7v
— Nile Gardiner (@NileGardiner) October 8, 2023
Keir Starmer wrongly says there is “no justification” for the attack on Israel; we know there is a reason. He says the perpetrators have “deliberately pushed back the prospect of peace agreements”. Was there any such prospect?
“Israel has every right to defend herself”
Labour leader Keir Starmer says the “perpetrators of [the attack on Israel] have deliberately pushed back the prospect of peace agreements”#BBCLauraK https://t.co/XWf5EU0E9K pic.twitter.com/Ry1fcvocyG
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) October 8, 2023
Important context is being ignored by the UK’s news media:
You can literally see the effects of this on Twitter — largely ignorant people wading into replies and presenting the violence as “good” vs “evil” — because that’s what they’ve been told by the BBC, Sky News, etc etc .
— Philip Proudfoot (@PhilipProudfoot) October 8, 2023
Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he’s going to bomb Gaza into dust, and the people there should leave. This commenter asks the obvious question:
Netanyahu: “we’re going to smash Gaza to dust, I’m telling all Gazans to leave now”
Where to mate?
Where the fukc can they go?
You control their prison, their water, electricity, food and movement. You are the prison warden and you have the keys and the power.— Dazsaid (@DarrenMelia1) October 8, 2023
It seems the Hamas incursion into Israel included firing on people at the “Supernova Festival” – a rave held near Gaza. The event is being touted as a “festival for peace” by propagandists:
Netanyahu: “we’re going to smash Gaza to dust, I’m telling all Gazans to leave now”
Where to mate?
Where the fukc can they go?
You control their prison, their water, electricity, food and movement. You are the prison warden and you have the keys and the power.— Dazsaid (@DarrenMelia1) October 8, 2023
UK right-wing commentators say Hamas has been targeting civilians – raping women and kidnapping children. Here’s a response:
The Palestinian resistance does not target civilians.
According to Israeli newspaper Haaretz's own figures, three-quarters of the Israeli dead named so far are soldiers: https://t.co/zTW2wnrVG4
— Asa Winstanley (@AsaWinstanley) October 8, 2023
Renowned journalist John Pilger responds to claims that the Hamas attack was “unprovoked”:
The Palestinians are again fighting for their lives, refusing to live in the prison known as Gaza, controlled and policed by Israel with Palestinians killed and maimed, unreported, day after day. Now their resistance, to which they have a right, is called 'unprovoked'. Read on: https://t.co/GKkEaF5ndL
— John Pilger (@johnpilger) October 8, 2023
Polling suggests more people in the UK want Palestine recognised as a state than don’t – although it is still a minority:
📊 POLL: Should the UK recognise Palestine as an independent state?
✅ Yes 40%
❌ No 8%Via @YouGov, 15-16 May pic.twitter.com/CizIOPlVl5
— Stats for Lefties 🇵🇸🏳️⚧️ (@LeftieStats) October 8, 2023
Here’s a 10-minute criticism of the United States for supporting Ukrainian resistance to Russia’s occupation while supporting Israel’s “occupation/ethnic subjugation” of Palestine. Isn’t that appalling hypocrisy?
.@MustafaBarghou1
on @CNN just asked the key question behind US’ moral relativism: Why is the US supporting Ukraine fighting against Russia’s occupation…yet supports Israel’s occupation/ethnic subjugation of Palestinians for the last 57 years?pic.twitter.com/1y2STarhbQ— Rula Jebreal (@rulajebreal) October 8, 2023
Right-wingers respond to a tweet pointing out that Palestinians can’t leave Gaza:
These are just some of the vile responses to a tweet pointing out that Palestinians can’t leave because they have nowhere to go. pic.twitter.com/MaAhcFD3sq
— Grace Blakeley (@graceblakeley) October 7, 2023
This is self-explanatory:
US presidential candidate calling for genocide. https://t.co/j6zbG546aU
— Peter Donaldson (@PDWriter) October 8, 2023
A report on what is happening in Gaza as Israel retaliates. It seems the Israeli military response is not concerned about harming civilians:
Read this. Gaza is a concentration camp. A stain on the conscience of humanity. How have we allowed this to carry on for so many years? https://t.co/44s2r7Knjx
— Matt Kennard (@kennardmatt) October 8, 2023
Labour shadow minister David Lammy mourns the death of a British citizen who was in Israel and was killed in the Hamas attack, and supports Israel’s response. Former Labour MP Chris Williamson asks an obvious question and makes a pertinent comment:
What @DavidLammy should be asking is why is any British citizen serving in the Israeli occupation forces?
The moral thing to do is to demand an end to Israel's occupation, not condemn this Palestinian uprising against a 75-year-long subjugation by an evil Israeli regime. https://t.co/B0N4Buw3yS
— Chris Williamson (@DerbyChrisW) October 8, 2023
Labour’s Wes Streeting supports Israel’s response – and then suggests that a peace deal might still be possible.
Wes Streeting says its important for democracies around the world to stand with a country that has been engaged in a brutal military occupation for decades, is ethnically cleansing the occupied, and imposes apartheid on them. pic.twitter.com/UoZQOg41CA
— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) October 8, 2023
More will undoubtedly follow.
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Israel has reacted exactly the way Hamas wants.
There was half a chance of an agreement between Israel – which isn’t going away – and Palestine. Instead of a measured reaction Israel are talking about revenge thus ending any possible agreement and perpetuating the conflict.
Israel should have learned from Russia. Russia is holding Ukraine in check until they are depleted and will then march across to the Dnieper and along the south coast to Odessa. Although America, if their intel is good, will call time on what is in reality their war, by shouting, “Ukraine will never join NATO!”
Israel should have held Hamas in check and made large of the ongoing negotiations. This would have brought peace to Palestine in due course and the end of Hamas.
Instead the stiff necked action of Israel has allowed Hamas to win even when they lose the war!
Israel might well be planning to do to Gaza what Azerbaijan has recently done to Nagorno-Karabakh. With what is left of the 2 million Palestinians after this affair is over and every building is reduced to rubble given an open corridor to the West Bank. Gaza will then be rebuilt and populated mainly if not exclusively by Israelis. Then in a few years or more do to West Bank what has been done to Gaza and open corridors out for the Palestinians to Jordan, Lebanon etc. Problem solved as Israel will become a Greater Israel incorporating Gaza and West Bank. And then after this to expand into the territory all around them. What do you think?
I think the Israelis are shooting themselves in the head. Once there are no Palestinians left in Israel, there are countries who would look away if Israel were wiped off the face of the earth.
Israel has been stealing Palestinian land, destroying Palestinian crops and livestock, destroying Palestinian homes, cutting Palestinians off from water, and electricity supplies, and murdering Palestinians, including children! kidnapping children and throwing them in prison….purposely targeting and murdering journalists for over 70 years! The Gutless UN are too cowardly to stop these war crimes, and crimes against humanity….
The UN does not represent it’s member nations, it serves those who run the world and fund their sorry excuse for a United Nations bought & paid for organisation. There was never going to be a peace deal for the Palestinians, just more of the horrors that have gone before over the last 70 years.