Call him ‘Desperate’ Dave – noose starts to close on Cameron

It seems David Cameron will be unable to avoid a ‘no confidence’ vote from his own political party, if Scotland decides to secede from the United Kingdom – even the Daily Torygraph has turned on him over this issue.

Tories are furious that Cameron allowed the referendum to go ahead, placing the UK in serious danger of break-up, according to the Telegraph – although the paper was unable to attach any names to the story; it all came from “a source” or “a senior source”. Normally this would mean a story is fiction but on this occasion it could be simply that nobody wants to stick their head over the parapet until the referendum’s result has been decided.

But this comment from one such ‘source’ rings true: “He is in a right hole. I think that he is in serious trouble. One of the reasons why I became a Conservative was a because of the union. We were the Conservative and Unionist Party.”

The article continues: “If Scotland left the UK ‘the trouble will be so great that we will have no chance of being the largest party’ at the election, the MP said,” indicating that the loss of their leader would hit the Tories so badly that they would not be able to regroup in time to run an effective general election campaign.

It seems a valid point – consider this further illustration of Tory desperation from Vox Political reader Tony Johnson, who posted a message on the Facebook page stating that the Conservatives had emailed supporters, encouraging them “to ring up Scottish voters in their ‘phone bank’, or contact Scottish friends with a special Facebook app, to dissuade them from voting YES.

“There’s nothing like a desperate last ditch stand,” he wrote. “Personally, if I was undecided, a call from a desperate English Tory would swing me into the YES camp, so it may well be a self-defeating exercise.”


The report also suggests that Labour leader Ed Miliband would also be in serious trouble in the event of a ‘Yes’ vote, losing a Labour heartland “and more than 40 MPs”.

It’s a good point – but many might argue that a new leader would make Labour more electable.

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  1. john ingamells (@geovanni218) September 17, 2014 at 12:01 am - Reply

    He is vulnerable but i am unsure they are prepared to jettison him at this time for another ‘effing tory’ as dear Dave might put it. I know what the argument is and i agree his entire handling from the decision of holding a referendum with no meaningful campaign for his ‘better together’. I think the tories are desperate to get the buffoon Boris in and the timing doesnt help them a great deal. I believe Labour need to sort out their policies and attempt to return to encouraging traditional voters to support them. I want to see less Blairite populist responses and policies and closer to Bevan and standing up for the welfare state and NHS. I fancy Andy Burnham might have been a more encouraging prospect, someone who i have faith in for the NHS and hopefully the Welfare State generally.

  2. kittysjones September 17, 2014 at 12:28 am - Reply

    THE next General Election is a bigger political fight for the Tories than the independence referendum, David Cameron said yesterday. The Prime Minister ranked defeating Labour in 2015 above maintaining the Union in a speech to the National Conservative Convention in London.

  3. tanith September 17, 2014 at 1:11 am - Reply

    RUBBISH new labour leader what the hell for ED is a lovely guy with PRINCIPLES and will make a great PM /which he will be next yr /like it

  4. jess September 17, 2014 at 1:13 am - Reply

    “Tories are furious that Cameron allowed the referendum to go ahead, ”

    Please forgive me Mike, but I thought the fruitcake tendency were demanding referendums…..

    Or would that be on something else?

    Something like a derogation of Human Rights Treaties…..

    Or free trade agreements they pioneered with the European Union?

    Not to mention legalising ‘marital rape’ as the kippers demand

    One suspects that the fruitcake tendency amongst the ‘Cameron party’

    Are, occasionally, a few raisins short, of a currant bun.

    • Mike Sivier September 17, 2014 at 8:16 am - Reply

      You won’t get any argument from me – I was just saying what I found in their fruitcake paper!

  5. jray September 17, 2014 at 3:08 am - Reply

    YES or NO…Regardless of the outcome,it is still a train wreck.

    • Ulysses September 17, 2014 at 8:53 am - Reply

      Agreed, but the scent of political change seems to be finally in the air

  6. Les September 17, 2014 at 7:00 am - Reply

    “… many might argue that a new leader would make Labour more electable.”

    Yvette Cooper wouldn’t.

  7. thelovelywibblywobblyoldlady September 17, 2014 at 7:24 am - Reply

    Good for Scotland… it’s about time that tory twunt was put in his place. I only wish Wales could have a similar referendum. The tories have done nothing for us, you only have to look at the Barnet formula to see that

  8. Gusman Jones September 17, 2014 at 7:33 am - Reply

    Secretly it’s very Con Unionist dream to finish off Labour. A yes vote in Scot;and would do that, then the Cons can go ahead with everyone of their ‘nasty’ policies. Us ‘down South’ get what we deserve if we don’t fight for our services.
    Oh yes the Tories are wetting themselves at the prospect of a Bonking Boris leadership, the “thoroughly nasty man’.

    • jaypot2012 September 17, 2014 at 11:48 am - Reply

      I believe you are wrong – Labour can pull itself together, become a better party and still win without Scotland!
      Do you really think that the rUK would vote Tory, the party that split the union? I don’t.

  9. Nick September 17, 2014 at 8:18 am - Reply

    the bottom line is that he made and is continuing to make life hell for the sick and disabled with many dying as a result

    that’s the bottom line and making life hell for the Scottish sick and disabled was never going to go down well

    Scotland must leave the union if their sick and disabled are to live in piece and if salmond manages to achieve just that a life of peace for the sick and disabled he will end up the hero and independence would have been worth it

    if he can secure a life of peace for the sick and disabled i have told him i will move to Scotland myself as staying near London with the likes of David Cameron and the new leader Boris Johnson is more then i can live with

    • Ulysses September 17, 2014 at 9:01 am - Reply

      Pack a bag for me too…

      • Nick September 17, 2014 at 4:58 pm - Reply

        it may yet come to that as i say living near to David Cameron is not what i ever had in mind in my old age

        I’m glad I’ve never met anyone like him in my lifetime and have to be thankful but none the less he is a danger to all even those who will never meet him as he creates danger not only in the uk but in other parts of the world

        he has what they call a disestablishing presence and it’s time for him to go

        when he’s gone what will happen i hear you say ? Boris Johnson will step in thats what

        Boris is not ideal so it’s best Scotland can become independent and just hope and pray salmond can do better I’m sure he will do

    • bod September 17, 2014 at 6:35 pm - Reply

      Me too

  10. Suzanne Ennazus September 17, 2014 at 9:00 am - Reply

    I think the Tories are behind the no vote, because they know Scotland never vote for them. Then Scotland will join the Euro and the Pound will still be stronger, while the Tories rule England forever. We would be better being united and kicking the Tories out.

    • Ulysses September 17, 2014 at 9:55 am - Reply

      Statistically, after hypothetically removing the Scottish results from every general election in modern history, the outcome remains the same.
      More “no” camp scaremongering im afraid, to say Scots independence would leave us under the Tory jackboot

      • Mike Sivier September 17, 2014 at 7:26 pm - Reply

        I’m very glad to read this, although there was an article in the MSM last week that said much the same, I think.

    • Mr.Angry September 17, 2014 at 10:15 am - Reply

      Totally agree Suzanne would be a great shame to lose our Scottish neighbours but fully sympathize in the way they have been treated for years by these evil jumped up swivel eyed so called elite. Shame the rest of us have to suffer under their ethnic cleansing genocidal policies. I truly pray on a daily basis for them just to to be removed from the planet. Would willingly provide the noose.

      • Mike Sivier September 17, 2014 at 7:25 pm - Reply

        Up to the point of providing the noose, I agreed with this comment all the way.

  11. jaypot2012 September 17, 2014 at 11:46 am - Reply

    Labour are big enough in the rUK to win an election, but what they do need is to get their erses together and start being a true Labour Party again.
    I think Milliband is weak and I think the wrong Milliband was chosen, but that’s by the by now. Ed Milliband needs to grow a set and start giving what for to the Tories and start fighting tooth and nail for the British public.
    As for Cameron, I couldn’t give two hoots about him and believe he has made the biggest mistake ever for assuming that Scotland would vote No. His arrogance about Scotland and it’s people will be the undoing of him – he should have let Devo Max go onto the ballot paper so its all his own fault for being so stuck up himself that there is every chance of losing Scotland tomorrow.
    I really do hope that we vote Yes, but whichever way the vote goes, he’s done for and hopefully, it will get the rUK changing the voting system.

    • Mike Sivier September 17, 2014 at 7:28 pm - Reply

      If the other Miliband had been chosen we would have been further away from having a true Labour Party by now.
      Otherwise – apart from hoping that Scotland votes Yes (I’m in the ‘No’ camp) – I agreed with all of this.

  12. Ian Duncan September 17, 2014 at 12:09 pm - Reply

    I hope Cameron stays and fights the election as he’ll definitely lose. A change at the top could be dangerous. There’s no great enthusiasm for Miliband, not really. A chnage in Tory leader could give the filth a bump in polls. Remember ’92…

  13. Joan Edington September 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm - Reply

    I watched the Dimbleby interview with Gordon Brown last night and couldn’t believe what I was hearing. Brown gushed on about how much better everyone was being able to share among 60 odd million people rather than 5 million. I would like to know what his idea of sharing is since it seems to mirror Cameron’s to a T. Try telling the 20% of Scots who are living on or under the breadline that they are gaining by sharing with London and the South East of England. He did say one thing that I agreed with though. I think the majority of Scots would like to stay part of a “fair” UK. One that wasn’t being wrecked by successive Westminster policies. Brown said we should stay because we were proud of the welfare state and the NHS. What planet is he living on? The current Cameron-led destruction of those same things are the main reason people are voting Yes.

    Sorry, drifted off topic because I’m seething, what with him and the BBC coverage.

    All I can say is that I am loving seeing Cameron crumbling and crying. I would be looking forward to his downfall in the Tory party if it wasn’t for the fact that Boris would make him look like a kitten.

  14. Gary September 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm - Reply

    Not consulting your party seems to be a theme in this referendum. Labour didn’t test the water of their own support before supporting the union, this will cost them dearly at both Westminster and Holyrood. Now Dave has failed to ask before offering vague new powers to Scots. This was BOUND to cause resentment AND, regardless of the political landscape is unlikely to get through parliament. But remember, Dave doesn’t need it to get through parliament or get any support. All he needs is to convince just enough voters for the next 31 hours that firstly he is sincere and secondly that the powers are meaningful. At this point everything reverts to normal and Dave is the hero of the union. Meanwhile Holyroods “new powers” consist completely of the rope with which to hang itself. Given the promises of 1979, vote NO and get more powers, where after being denied devolution no powers were given, the electorate realises that the ‘pledge’ is a distraction and, with no support from backbenchers, won’t be happening either.

  15. Thomas M September 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm - Reply

    If he didn’t want the Scots to leave, he could add the third option of Maybe on the ballot paper, making sure the Yes voters can’t get the more then 50% that they need.

    • Mike Sivier September 17, 2014 at 7:30 pm - Reply

      Too late for that!

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